How to Achieve Mental, Emotional, and Physical Balance with Suzy McCalley
Are you anxious or stressed and totally ready for relief? For that weight to finally lift? You're in luck. Today’s guest grew up in a cult, and she uses her experiences to turns them into art and empowers you to channel your demons to take charge of your inner health and well-being.
Say goodbye to your anxiety. Listen right now and learn how to achieve balance and learn how to reduce your stress so that you can start laughing again, enjoying your life, and living the way you really want it.
“People were like, you do so much, and I was like, no; really, I just do one thing, and that’s healing.” – Suzy, (11:44)
Learn how to achieve greater mental, emotional, and physical balance. Overcome your limiting beliefs and learn how to walk through what stops you from achieving what you really want in life. Maybe it’s exercise, or finding your soulmate, or your own business, writing a book, being a coach. Whatever it is, you can reach your dream.
“To me, everything starts with looking inward.” – Suzy, (12:24)
If you’re looking to heal from past traumas and want to turn your pain into power, this episode is the one you’ve been waiting for! Tune in and find out how you can begin moving past the hurt, release the anxiety, and begin laughing from your gut with your friends like you used to!
“The breath is very key to what we do, and taking a full breath is one of the most radical things that we can do sometimes, especially in difficult moments.” Suzy, (20:00)
“The baby steps is really how we get to where we want to go.” – Suzy, (25:00)
In this episode:
(1:30) – What growing up in a cult feels like.
(3:00) – The journey of healing.
(4:30) – The process of continuous healing.
(7:32) – How yoga and other mindfulness tools heal you.
(9:30) – Your healing journey.
(12:20) – Turning experience into art.
(12:53) – Taking your hurt and turning it into something that brings light.
(13:18) – How you turn compost into art.
(14:12) – How you get clear on what you’re meant to do.
(16:53) – Relief begins by understanding your problem.
(17:46) – Healing happens in community.
(18:10) – Why it’s important to be willing to spend time with your problem.
(18:39) – Why journaling by hand is the most effective way to journal.
(19:00) – The Breathing Room and the importance of breath.
(20:13) – The message you send through your breathing.
(23:00) – Social media.
(24:08) – The value of accomplishing small goals.
(25:32) – The power of connection.
Resources and Links
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Suzy McCalley
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Suzy [00:00:00] For me as I'm supporting clients, it's more about how can we hold space for who we really are and how can we let some of the layers peel off or melt off. Hopefully, it can be a very beautiful, transformative and even gentle process and letting some of that, you know, whether it's drab with anxiety or the depression, you know, getting to the root of that so that we can allow it to peel back and reveal who we really are and all of that desire and purpose that comes with it.
Lauren [00:00:34] Welcome to 52 Weeks of Hope. This is where you get to hear how to feel happy, balanced and worthwhile. How to make that lonely ache vanish and feel empowered, confident and secure? I'm Lauren Abrams and I get to help you feel that magic again. Since going through my own dark night of the soul by chatting with the incredible leaders, healers, and change agents who give you their message of hope after overcoming challenges of their own. Today we're talking to the wellness coach, and yoga mindfulness teacher Suzy McCalley. Are you stuck in pain, and stress and feeling overly anxious and just totally ready for relief for that weight to be lifted once and for all? You're in luck. Suzy grew up in a cult and she used her experiences to turn them into art and just so much more. She shares her incredible story and how her experiences empower you to consciously take charge of your inner health and well-being. So you get to say goodbye to your inner anxiety to listen right now and learn how to achieve balance, overcome your inner demons and reduce your stress so that you can start laughing again and enjoying your life and living the way you really want to. Just an incredible story. Welcome to 52 Weeks of Hope Suzy.
Suzy [00:01:50] Thank you so much. Beautiful introduction. Thank you.
Lauren [00:01:53] Yeah. Now, you grew up in a cult and turned that experience into art. And I mean, right? That right there just begs so many different questions. So I have to start there. Can you please tell us, where you grew up what was that experience and how you turned that into art that's just so beautiful? I know there's so much in that.
Suzy [00:02:14] So, yeah, I grew up in a cult it was called The Children of God and the Family. They had a rebranding after some bad prints.
Lauren [00:02:23] So wait, where was this?
Suzy [00:02:25] That person though, that grew up? You know, my parents are both my sisters and they joined the organization as young people. You know, very. Then really, my mother is Brazilian through the teenager and started getting involved with the group. My father is an American from Maryland. He had hitchhiked to California and kind of caught up with men there. And it was part of the whole hippie movement, you know. And so with them, he made his way down to Brazil and lived there for 20 years. So they really had the, you know, the beautiful one tension, then this action at heart for service and for a living, a very what they thought was a very genuine, you know, religious life. And there are some beautiful things about that. And there was also a lot of pain and a lot of trauma. And the way that we were raised that were fairly dogmatic, you know, we didn't have very much contact with the outside world and even what, you know, outside extended family member. And so it was really kind of been Bible, which again had beautiful things like for example, we would think every day as a group, you know, and part of my love of music and now of course, I'm a musician as well and probably born, I'm sure, from that period. But then all of the downside and traumas that, you know, abuses that I experienced, even sexual abuse and, you know, part of my journey of healing has been, you know, like René Browne, of course, talked about the courage of vulnerability and finding that story within myself and acknowledging it for me first from my own healing and then being able to share it with other. That might be beautiful outcomes of that have been actually other people in my family coming out with similar stories. And so that that must be ongoing healing from that can really begin.
Lauren [00:04:12] Do you have siblings?
Suzy [00:04:14] I do. Yeah. I'm in the middle of five.
Lauren [00:04:16] Wow. And so how long were you and did you guys live in the cult?
Suzy [00:04:19] Yeah, no, we kind of transitioned out. I moved to the U.S. when I was ten in Miami first and then with the organization and then with and moved to Texas, still with the group. And then probably I was around. Well, like so the most awkward period of your life. 1213 And back when we left the group, we went out on our own, which was really scary for all of us. My parents had never had normal, quote unquote normal jobs as they're out there, you know, trying to figure things out and keep us safe financially. And, you know, it's the first time being on our own with our own house and really just for us. Yeah, you know that. For real identity struggle. I'm okay, we were at the festival. We were always raised to believe that we shall choose chosen people and now all of a sudden we are what they call the back wider. And so that that meant anybody that left the group, you know and so I'm still proud that thing with my siblings, you know what that meant for us in that time. And of course, my parents were just trying to survive. And so there was little guidance, honestly, at that point. So it's something we're still unpacking even today as a family.
Lauren [00:05:32] Yeah. Are you in touch with all your siblings or did it go back? Did anybody go back?
Suzy [00:05:37] I know we're all I mean, we're all so grateful for where we are now. Everyone is thriving and very successful, but we're so happy that our parents left when they did, you know, because of that pivotal that several teenage years that now none of them have gone down for all very close and they live. But, you know, I have a couple, but we live all over in San Diego, London there. So we get together and travel and meet. I really got back from a family trip to Brazil and then family there, So it's been quite a ride.
Lauren [00:06:09] Yeah, I would imagine. So how do you recover from something like that? And I mean, was there therapy? Was there was it not talked about? Did you say, Oh, I just left? Like, what do you do?
Suzy [00:06:20] Yeah, no, no, no, no therapy. You know, it just really wasn't there's some intergenerational stuff that coming up as far as trauma I through and my family and even why you know there was a culture of secrecy kind of top-down and then we just found out through DNA testing that we're all Jewish and.
Lauren [00:06:40] Oh, my sister just found that out through the what's the DNA thing. Right.
Suzy [00:06:46] And I think my mom did ancestry.com.
Lauren [00:06:48] Yeah, Yeah. That and one of the.
Suzy [00:06:50] One and Starsky, she actually had family members contact her and she made some big discoveries about new family members. Her story that also I'm I'm going to leave.
Lauren [00:07:00] It.
Suzy [00:07:01] At that for many reasons. That was something that was secret and that was not you know, when they moved to Brazil because of persecution and it wasn't safe for them to be who they were. And so, you know, going through that, I think it just developed that culture of, you know, not talking about our thing. And so when I was struggling with anxiety, and depression as a teenager and engaging in all these risky behaviors drive back. That's all the exploring that really I look back on it now and it was me trying to find balance. And Iran you now know as a yoga teacher, as a mindfulness teacher, I look at it from a nervous point of view and it was really me just trying to find equilibrium and reaching out to all of the external authorities that you've thought we now can is not very productive a lot of the time. So, you know, to your question about, you know, what kind of support was available, I would like to read your Bible, go pray about it. You know, no, we're not going to go do therapy. Like that's not how we do things. That's not really part of our family culture or what we believe. And we're just now changing that in our own family. So it made it for a very difficult transition. And it wasn't until I was in my twenties and I discovered yoga and all these mindfulness tools and then kind of went down that rabbit hole getting, you know, I'm a certified Reiki master, I've been coaching for a decade there, you know, But it was really out of desperation to be completely honest. You know, like so many of your speakers share about where they are and their healing journey has come from a place of pain and you know that. And that was really my motivator for writing the play. While we mentioned turning trauma into art.
Lauren [00:08:47] Yeah. So did you go to college?
Suzy [00:08:49] I went to college. I just got my Masters. Oh, congratulations.
Lauren [00:08:53] I know I saw that up there. So when you went to college, what did you talk about? Oh, I used to be in a cult. I'm sorry. I just.
Suzy [00:09:00] I know I can wait. I know. Yeah. It's interesting how each of us, though, being one of five, the lines are so interesting. Like one of my sisters, like, really never talked about it. And even, like, a very close friendship, like, never talked about. And then I have another sibling when, you know, the first time you meet him, he'll tell you, you know, I grew up in a cult. So. Yeah. So rain.
Lauren [00:09:21] Like, slowly as they get to know you. Yeah, well, I grew up. I guess it's just always an icebreaker at parties, you know? I don't.
Suzy [00:09:28] Dare. Yeah, and I'm kind of in the middle. Okay, I like, but, you know, and it's targeted because, you know, I can even be triggering for not like, for me, but for other people. And so you never know what you would back down.
Lauren [00:09:43] I could tell you would read that energy in somebody though, like you're the type of person that would know not to say it to this person unless you wanted to get a response. Like, I mean, you just.
Suzy [00:09:52] I yeah, I sometimes I share and sometimes I down that's been a journey of well you know like grown. Or how about when? Where? Right, Right.
Lauren [00:10:01] And the overthrow. Yeah. Is. So how did yoga you said it started everything start getting released with you with yoga. How did yoga start doing that?
Suzy [00:10:12] You know, in my first class, even though it wasn't so funny to me, it was taught by our future at my community college and they had like the most unassuming boy you could ever possibly imagine. And it didn't matter like being out of work for like 6000 years. All that now didn't really matter. You know, who would deliver the message came across. And for me, the message of that moment was really and, you know, one of the first times that I remember feeling like the absence of what I now know to be anxiety and stress, and I didn't even have words for it then. It just felt like I was always on edge, You know, something was like, wrong. And fundamentally, you know, as I peel back the layers, the belief that something was wrong with me, and in that moment, you know, it was just the relief and peace. And so I was like, okay, there's something to this. And then, you know, I was a single mom raising my son and all the challenges of that. And so I just kept coming back to it periodically and then finally was like, okay, I'm going for it. And, you know, I opened my studio shortly after getting certified, and now I'm a 500-hour yoga instructor. And I mentioned a lot of other modalities that I've gotten into, including tapping and backing the bars and even became a certified tantra practitioner as a way to really address my own healing and then share it with others.
Lauren [00:11:43] Sure. If you are sexually abused, what are just lost it something bars.
Suzy [00:11:47] At that bar. It's another healing. Yeah, it's another healing modality that was kind of channelled and really works with the energy systems of the body here to help them find that. You know, there is a period of time where I was like, you know, people kept telling me what you do so much, you know, because I'm a musician, I have an album out, I'm a playwright, I'm an actor, I've starred in the film. You know, I speak, I do poetry, and then I have, you know, my practice. And I also started a nonprofit. So we bring yoga and arts into underserved schools. And I'm like, and I'm very passionate about that. But, you know, you know, my, my. And then I thought about it. I'm like, now really, I just do one thing and that and peeling that, that like, you know, whether it's through the arts, whether it's through yoga, meditate, then like, whether it's for me, whether it's for others Like it's just that one thing for me.
Lauren [00:12:38] Yeah, it's like I'm of love and service and that brings hope. So I understand. I completely get that. So you turned your experience into art. You want to talk about how you did that and how somebody else would be able to do that if that's what's meant for them. Because you do teach mindfulness.
Suzy [00:12:56] Can I ask another question? And again, yeah.
Lauren [00:12:58] So you turned your experience of being in a cult, you turned that into art, which is beautiful. How did you do that?
Suzy [00:13:04] And you know, you mentioned my meditation practice and to me, everything starts with looking inward. And so I don't know how I can live beyond. And I had a lot of support, you know, part of a journey along the way. I worked closely with collaborators and had a lot of encouragement. Now, I certainly didn't do it alone, but for me, you know, it was reflecting on that and one that's like, you know. Morgan, I read who was also on your show. It talks about the practice of alchemy, taking, you know, the deepest, darkest, richest composers and turning it into something that that brings light. And so for me, that looks like writing my own play and producing, directing it, and then I look like writing my own story and my one-woman show and taking it on the road and doing it black Broadway and sharing it with Bachman that way. So, anyone who is interested in turning your story or your company into art, I would say absolutely do it. And I think getting clear on the reasons why, getting clear on my why, like so many people back about, was very helpful in being able to see it through because not everybody was thrilled that I was doing that play that put it there, Make sure that you're clear, you know, with yourself as you are intentions and also making sure that it's not causing harm. Right. So like making sure that we have that enough to be at a point where we can share it in a way that brings more healing and connection in the world, better, you know, causing more harm.
Lauren [00:14:42] Yeah, of course. And how would you tell someone to get clear on what it is that they want to do? They have this feeling like, Oh, I know there's more. I'm not doing what I'm here and meant to do.
Suzy [00:14:55] Yeah, I really believe. I think you're what you're talking about, May. And you get on the show and she talks about how each of us has all the knowledge. So, you know, it's really about uncovering what's already there. We're all born, you know, little kids. Like, I want to do this, then I wanna do that. And they're, you know, they're very comfortable with desire and with dating. And then, you know, and then we have layers on top that a few things distract the send up on a different path that, you know, might be connected to survival strategies from when we were little kids or we wanted to please and we can get and afford it on our path. And so for me, I'm supporting clients. It's more about how can we hold space for who we really are and how can we let some of the layers peel off or melt. Hopefully, it can be a very beautiful, transformative and even gentle process and letting some of that, you know, whether drives with anxiety or the depression, you know, getting to the root of that so that we can allow it to peel back and reveal who we really are and all of that desire and purpose that comes with it.
Lauren [00:16:08] Yeah. Now that's great. And I firmly believe we each have our own unique printout like we each have our own handprint, we're each unique in our own way. So when we think, Oh, but somebody is already doing it, but nobody's doing it the way you can, there's nobody they can do it the way you can do what you want to do. And so if there's something you want to do, you can do it. Nobody can speak it the way you can. No one can write it the way you can do it. No one can dance it the way you can or perform it as you were or whatever it is.
Suzy [00:16:39] And we just need more of you. We need more of that in the world. So, you know, you're you are an attorney and, you know, are people don't say, I can't be a lawyer. There's already lawyers in the world, you know, it's like we need more. We need more healing. We mark healers, and more artists. So, yeah, absolutely.
Lauren [00:16:58] Now, how do you help people feel the relief that they need? What do you suggest? I mean, I guess that's an individualized question. It's a tough one, but there are so many people that do need relief.
Suzy [00:17:09] Absolutely. I've been working with a lot of organizations and supporting them with their staff. And so I've heard from hundreds of mostly women because I had the fortune to work with and because you're the one that comes up, I, I need relief. You know, we survey people and one of the top things that we're hearing is my need, really. And so there's once we understand the problem a little bit more. There are thousands of ways that we can address it, you know, whether that there is the breath, whether that they're journaling, whether that's their movement stretching, whether it's through creating a healthier boundary for ourselves or what work or family. So those are some ways that we can address this. But really taking time to, like walk up this not only individual but collective issues that are coming up. And you're right, it's individual for each person. And that's different for each organization that you're like, what is causing that stressor? And then the pain and the isolation before the fog. But then once we spend time with that, like really again, trusting that we all have this innate with them to be able one when we have the opportunity and it really helpful to have someone hold a space for us and to do that work and I mean that be with our peers. One of my favourite quotes from Miriam Greenspan is that healing happened in the community. And I really believe that, you know, it's not just by ourselves on our meditation cushion and it's not just in therapy. Those are all important. But we also need social healing, and social justice, which is part of what I believe that we're all both individually and collectively searching for. So that was kind of a roundabout way to look at really spending time with the problem and trusting that we have another within us. So a lot of my work is facilitating my focus to do that. And we're on a journey and we do a lot of journaling and we hear a lot of different tools to help us get there.
Lauren [00:19:08] And for journaling, I was always taught to handwrite, not on a keyboard. Is it the same? Is that what you teach?
Suzy [00:19:15] I believe so. There's something about that handheld art body connection with and writing a lot of my screenplays I do by hand, and I transfer it my anger. So there's something to that for sure.
Lauren [00:19:31] Yeah. Now, you found the breathing room in there. Can you talk about the importance of breathing? I don't mean just for staying alive, but you want to talk about what the breathing room is and the importance of breathing.
Suzy [00:19:42] Yeah. Start with the breath. Yeah. The first thing we do when we're born, the last thing we do, Wafaa, We die pretty often, but pretty key. And yet many of us have. Don't have that guilt. Haven't taken the time to really unlearn for patterns. So we're all born knowing how to breathe. Naturally, the belly expands, the brand expands on the inhale, gently held back on the exhale, and then now becomes drowned because the nervous system is being out of whack. Because specially maybe for women, you know, not wanting to appear fat, these kinds of things or wearing bras or tight-fitting clothing, that we are not breathing in a way that supportive to our body. And so really just getting back to the essential breath and the effect that can have on not just our nervous system, but then how that affects everything else in our lives and our forth. Now that breath is key to what we do. And it is, you know, taking a full breath is one of the most radical things that we can do with some time and actually in difficult moments. And so we even notice I mean, we all do that, you know, the breath really reflects our emotions and our thoughts. So we all know that when we're feeling anxious, the breath might be more shallow and higher up in the body. And then when we're feeling calm and relaxed and say the breath might be longer, might especially have a longer exhale. And they're just really building our awareness here that very easy and quote-unquote basic human being that we do know that we can have more even more influence over our thought and emotion. And then, you know, the breathing room. I really I started there about eight years ago, and I really wanted to bring together both your band, the arts and all of the feeling, our kind of in one faith and really make it accessible to folks. So a lot of people that we work with are newer to the practice and they have all the, you know, reservation. Why go I can't do yoga cause I can't touch my toes. I hear that a lot. I'm not like the one for me now. I can't meditate because my mind never shuts off. And of course, that's not really the goal of Medicate. Then, you know, I'd really become more friends with our mind, with our body is then accepting our thoughts where we are. And so that was my passion behind opening the breathing room. And now we've been partnering with, as you mentioned, the downtown pension centre where we live and bringing yoga to the women inmates there and also working with Behavioral Health Center, working at mental health, a patient. And then we started breathing Access, the nonprofit. I founded it, and I serve as executive director. And it was really a matter of like, how can we bring that to your youth? And so we're partnering with schools and our local school district to support not only students but also educators and staff because the research showed that when we take care of ourselves, we're better equipped to take care and to be better at it.
Lauren [00:22:56] Definitely, if they're doing it, they're going to pass that on. Right. And I talk about doing what do you have? That's a good segway to what practices do you do on a regular basis.
Suzy [00:23:05] That can be, you know like some of my friends are like, are you so compliant because you do that every day? And I'm like, Huh? I never really thought of it as a plan because for me it is really my medication kind of thing for is maintenance and it, it makes me feel good. So naturally I want to do it and I feel it when I know. Now as far as what I personally do every day. And that's not what's right for everybody. That's right for me right now. You know, I meditate in the mornings. I have my tea, I do my journaling, I do yoga, I walk pretty often and I'm getting into gardening and some of the things that I do. And then I have boundaries with my phone and with work. So I'm also not on social media and I haven't been on for a few years, and that's not right for everybody. It was right for me. And that could change at any moment. But there's something that you maintain and stay healthy and I have a pretty strong social group that I nurture my relationship and those and some of the things.
Lauren [00:24:08] I love those those are so great. And what got you started like really in line with the journaling, why would you have started Here you are, you're doing yoga, you've found the meditate. What made you start journaling?
Suzy [00:24:21] I really tried that back to I took a course called The Artist Way that a lot of people have heard of and a very familiar with. And so I love your camera and ran on her blog. Then I started doing morning pages and I kept it.
Lauren [00:24:34] Out of explains right there, you.
Suzy [00:24:37] Know. Yeah.
Lauren [00:24:38] Amanda Petrik One of my earlier I think it was early shoot her episode was out she does the artist way and she talks about journaling and she also talks about somebody having a hard time getting out up in the morning, just make one of your goals. Wash one dish, like make your goals that small and easy and don't don't make it. Look for a job. Five jobs. Like, you know, she's right. She made it hurt. The goal setting is so small. Yeah, because that's how she was able to do things because she's been in that place. I mean, and I talked to her when she was on location in London. So, you know, the fires were raging here at the time. And she was and, you know, everything changes. So anyway.
Suzy [00:25:21] I want a better downpour and I really want to underscore that it really, baby, that or even as I sit here talking about, you know, and of course, at this point, I customized my whole life around my family of them was right for me. That took a long time. It didn't happen overnight. And I am very lucky to have the life that I have right now that I felt. But yet the baby that you know, and really how we get to where we want to go. So the teeny tiny act that, you know, whether that you waking up at the same time every morning, you know, it's just important for a circadian rhythm. You're finding that marvellous little next step.
Lauren [00:25:58] Yeah. Do you have a message of hope you want to give?
Suzy [00:26:01] So many of the folks that I've been talking to and now post are dealing with isolation and feeling like you talk so much about and you're not feeling alone. And so remembering that we are connected, whether that to other people or whether that spirit or nature or the family, you know, that we are not alone, that you are okay and that you are faithful. You know, if you're not they taking steps to get through a place to be safe and one where they're retraining our nerve, that to know that we are okay, that we are safe and being able to create our lives from that faith and that creating from a place of fear and insecurity. And I believe that.
Lauren [00:26:46] That's such a good message to give. It's really important. And anybody who wants to get in touch with Suzy, all of her links and everything will be on the website and she does private coaching. She has so much fitness, and private coaching as well. I do want to take a minute to mention that. Is there any question I should have asked you that I forgot to ask that you wish I had asked and we're going to be sitting here like you, Lauren didn't ask me this?
Suzy [00:27:13] Okay, Woven, you should ask me to say.
Lauren [00:27:17] Oh, I've never asked anybody to do that. Are there is there something in particular that you should be singing?
Suzy [00:27:24] So I can't believe I'm suggesting that. But I hope that as group leaders and based on what each of them was struggling with, we created a collective song that I wrote. And it's a very simple, kind of like a little mantra. And so I would like to share that right now. Okay. And if you feel like humming along that is so a beautiful and balanced thing for our nervous system, so please feel free at the simple parents. I think you'll you'll get it just fine. All right. You're brave. I am brave by brave. Fine. Brave and worthy. I am not banning there. I am brave of I am brave, I am grey, I am. But I find what I'm going to be. And I am. You know, I'm banning in our. If you're an independent agent, you can claim that bond. You can replace that with words that are especially meaningful for you. Like, I am safe. I am safe. I am safe. My worthy. But finding simple things that you can think it as a mantra. I do have an album on Spotify that will link to that. Has that soothing song like that?
Lauren [00:28:47] Oh, that was wonderful. I had no idea what to expect. I was like, Okay.
Suzy [00:28:51] In there.
Lauren [00:28:55] So look, how do your face You got to watch this on YouTube now so you can see the look on his face when she said that. And you look radiant right now.
Suzy [00:29:03] Oh.
Lauren [00:29:03] I love that you're me. Yeah, This is fabulous. That was very, very exciting. Surprising. And you just made my day, so.
Suzy [00:29:12] Yeah.
Lauren [00:29:12] Thank you so much for being a guest today on 52 weeks of Hope.
Suzy [00:29:17] Thank you so much for doing that.
Lauren [00:29:18] Yeah. I hope you enjoyed this week's episode and take with you Suzy's messages of purpose, empowerment and mindfulness. Such fulfilling messages you take into your week ahead. All of Suzy's links will be in the show notes on the website at 52 weeks of hope. com. While you're on the website, there are links to rate and review the podcast, or you can do that from wherever you're listening. It all helps and it's really appreciated. Thanks for helping get the word out about the podcast and helping more women feel less alone in overwhelmed and remember the pause answers emerge in the pause instead of adding to your to-do list, How about a to-don't list, which is my Segway into the series I have starting for you. And then I'm so excited about it. It's a show for burnt-out, overachieving type-A moms and unlike other shows for burnt-out, overachieving moms only, we take you off the hamster wheel by ditching the to-do list for the to-don't list that starts in two weeks and I'm super excited about it until next week when there's another amazing podcast that I've been saving for the first week of September because it is that good. I'm very excited about that one too. I'm Lauren Abrams, about to head to Boston to take my son back to school. Thanks for listening.